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  23. millionairewaltz-carpediem said: This is all very true! But a key difference between Fred & Holden who were both in the military and disillusioned is that Fred followed orders & Holden didn’t. Fred fired & killed belters on Anderson station (getting the Butcher nickname) but when Holden was ordered to fire on people (without an explanation - just an order like Fred) he wouldn’t do it. Holden was dishonorably discharged, but vindicated.
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